Thanks!

http://www.nutriteam.com/index2.html
http://www.positivehealth.com/article-abstract.php?articleid=2347

Is it safe to take an oral form of GSE while breastfeeding? Thanks

Hope this helps.

It is certainly worth the effort to try the GSE while making the diet changes, and if it doesn’t begin to show improvement within 2-3 days you can always go on to getting Diflucan for both of you and treating at the same time. The solution instructions are in our article on Thrush: http://drjaygordon.com/breastfeeding/thrush.html As for adult dosage on the capsules I would go with Nutribiotics recommendation on the bottle.

I think the yeast overgrowth was previously caused by the estrogen in the birth control pill I was taking as during pregnancy I didn’t have one outbreak.

I had started taking Fenugreek to increase my supply so I could start pumping to freeze for later use; however, I was under the impression that milk that was expressed during a candida outbreak could not be used at a later date as the cadida cells do not die off during the freezing process and could cause another outbreak when the expressed milk is used. Is this not the case?

I guess my other question would be regarding the GSE… before I see a doctor about a dosage of Diflucan for both of us, I thought using the GSE liquid on both and capsules would be worth the try first? Do you have a page with exact dosages and instructions for baby and mom for GSE liquid and capsules? OR should I skip altogether and go for the Diflucan?

I have been taking up until today (just finished the bottle) GSE capsules with Oregeno in it. I am taking 375mg daily all in one dosage as recommended on the bottle. Should I up the dosage beyond what the bottle suggests? Also, I didn’t use the GSE liquid on my nipples, should I be doing that also? What should my daughter be getting if not the Gentian Violet?

I read also to put a few drops of the GSE liquid in with my laundry… I have just been washing with hot water.

When I was taking the Diflucan, my daughter was prescribed Nystatin.

I have always been prone to Vaginal Candida, so perhaps this is why we are having such a difficult time getting rid of the thrush. As I will be going back to work by the time my daughter is 7 months old, I will only be BF for another 3 months, so I guess I am looking for a solution to remedy the problem now and prevent further outbreaks when we are not taking medications as seems to be the case.

Thanks!

Are you taking GSE capsules as well as treating topically? I’ve worked with nursing dyads before that have had systemic yeast that they were struggling to keep away the outbreaks of thrush and we have great success with the diet adjustments and GSE internally for mom and topically for both. When you were treated with Diflucan were you both treated at the same time?

I was looking at the candida diet and just can’t see how that would fit into my lifestyle. To start, there is very limited options as literally everything is cut out except meat, certain veggies, wild rice and water. To live like this for a minimum of 3 weeks doesn’t seem possible. I imagine that there is some sort of happy medium that I can do.
I could start by removing most of the carbs from my diet but I cannot live on eggs for breakfast alone, so would have to substitute with low carb options ie. whole grain cereal… but then I am introducing a bit of dairy back into my diet, which is fine as my daughter is older and handling the gas better. I can cut the sugar down and eventually out of my coffee, but to cut coffee out all at once would be difficult. I guess I am at a loss and I am not sure if these little changes will do anything to improve the situation. I guess my last option would be to stop breastfeeding and treat again with diflucan for myself… but this is really not the route I would like to take. In the meantime, I have started the Gentian violet again on my daughter and I, we are on day 4 and I still notice a little bit of bumps on her bum… perhaps the thrush is becoming resistant to this method.

As for treatments, it’s hard to know exactly what worked and worked the best because of the variables and combinations. The sugar in Nystatin can actually feed the yeast as often as it gets rid of it. So it’s possible that it exacerbated the situation and hard to know which.

I am reaching out to you as my daughter and I are combating thrush and can’t seem to shake it.

My daughter was born on March 11th, 2010 and was bottle feed for the first week. We had some latching issues of which were corrected when she was a week old after a visit to a lactation specialist. She has since been 95% breastfed with a pumped bottle on the very rare occasion. At approximately 3 weeks old she was confirmed to have thrush and I a nipple infection. We were both prescribed Nystatin – her 1 ml four times daily for 7 days and a medicated diaper rash cream applied twice daily to treat the rash she had developed due to thrush and I the cream twice daily and to be removed prior to feeding. The cream seemed kind of pointless to me as she was eating every 1 1/2 – 2 hours at the time, so I figured it would have been ineffective when only on for a short period of time. Nonetheless, we continued this for over a week. Sometime around 4 weeks I was also given diflucan 400 mg first dose, 100 mg twice daily for two weeks with a repeat. I was also taking antibiotics for the first week of the diflucan.
Unfortunately, the diaper rash was not getting better and was turning into welts. At her 4-week doctor appointment I was given the APNO and my daughter a repeat of the Nystatin for another 14 days. We were also given a different diaper rash cream, which was to be more effective and a little stronger. I also repeated the diflucan for another 2 weeks. The diaper rash seemed to be disappearing and the thrush improving. After 14+ days, we stopped the Nystatin, I continued with the APNO anyways and a day or two later the diaper rash was returning as well as the thrush in her mouth, so we started the Nystatin again. In the meantime, I decided to get more information about Gentian Violet and the “Newman treatment method”.

I finally decided that the Nystatin was not working and that we would try the Gentian Violet. I was able to pick up a 15 ml bottle of 1% Gentian Violet of which the pharmacists suggested I dilute it with 50% water. So I prepared a mixture of 5 ml sterilized water and 5 ml of Gentian violet. I would dip a cotton swab in it and paint her mouth and my nipples and continued to use the APNO at all feedings except the one with the Gentian Violet. I also picked up a bottle of Acidophilus and was taking 3 capsules (Swiss brand maximum dosage on the bottle – 2 billion active cells per capsule) per day and for 3 days dipped my finger in a broken capsule and placed in my daughters mouth. In addition, I have been taking GSE capsules at the maximum dosage per day on the bottle of 3 pills (375 mg – Inno-Vite brand). Within 1 day the diaper rash was drastically improved and by day two completely gone. I continued for 7 days until her mouth looked clear of the thrush. Within a day of stopping the Gentian Violet, the diaper rash started to return and by the second day her mouth was white and my nipples were starting to get a little itchy and raw again.
At my daughters 2 month appointment, my doctor stated to redo the Gentian Violet treatment again for 10 – 14 days and to still dilute the Gentian Violet. She wasn’t overly concerned by it as my daughter is consistently gaining weight and its just more of a nuisance then anything else.
I repeated the cycle again, and finished on May 28th. The diaper rash is mostly gone, she gets red dots now and the next morning they will be gone after using the Rx diaper rash cream. However, her mouth is still a little white (on tongue only) and didn’t seem to go away during this treatment. I am at a lost of what we should do.
I was hoping you could give me some advise on this resistant case of Thrush.

My daughter was born 9 lbs 11 oz and at her 2 month appointment she was 13 lbs 6 oz so clearly the thrush isn’t bothering her. As our doctor said, its more of a nuisance then anything else. Our case was never a sever one as I was conscience of Thrush from the beginning and at first signs I sought help. She never had major white patches, only a white coating on her tongue and a little fussiness in the beginning prior to treatment when eating. She never had patches on her checks or roof of her mouth. As for me, my nipples were bright red, a little itchy, a little raw feeling and on one nipple some pain when she was latching on not caused by a poor latch and on the same breast the occasional shooting pain. I no longer have the shooting pain or raw nipples and the color seems to have returned to what I think was the color before breast feeding of a pinkish/red. However, there is a little bit of itchiness returning.

Should I repeat the Gentian Violet and not dilute? Should I repeat the Acidophilus in her mouth? Should I exceed the dosages of GSE & Acidophilus. Based on this information, please advise what you would suggest as the next course of action in treating thrush.

I’m sorry for the long winded e-mail but thought it would be best to give all the details. I look forward to your response.

Thank you in advance.
Regards,

Information on using expressed breastmilk while battling thrush: http://www.kellymom.com/bf/concerns/thrush/thrush-expressed-milk.html